Maybe It’s Time To Rethink Global Warming

[MarcusMaximus]

Maybe It’s Time
To Rethink Global Warming

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From Wisdom from the Realm: (http://lordcrimson.wordpress.com/2008/02/26/maybe-its-time-to-rethink-global-warming/) The doomsayers associated with global warming movement must be in complete denial about the latest climate news (http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289).

At the least, the "Algorians" are now forced to wonder if their great leader is worthy of worship. His false promise of the earth turning into a sauna from man made causes is in danger of being a big fat lie. With no global catastrophe to lean on, where will they go? What will they do? Fear not ye worshipers of green, a new global scare is right around the corner. The ice is back!

“Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at any time since 1966.”

“American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January “was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average.”

”Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year.”

“We missed what was right in front of our eyes,” says Prof. Russell. It’s not ice melt but rather wind circulation that drives ocean currents northward from the tropics. Climate models until now have not properly accounted for the wind’s effects on ocean circulation, so researchers have compensated by over-emphasizing the role of man made warming on polar ice melt.

Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, shrugged off man made climate change as “a drop in the bucket.” Showing that solar activity has entered an inactive phase, Prof. Sorokhtin advised people to “stock up on fur coats.”

The last time the sun was this inactive, Earth suffered the Little Ice Age that lasted about five centuries and ended in 1850. Crops failed through killer frosts and drought. Famine, plague and war were widespread. Harbors froze, so did rivers, and trade ceased.

We can only wonder if this new Global Ice Age scare will be as popular as the Global Warming one has been. I suppose any global scare is good as long as there are people to scare and will support the Algorian cause with money and behavior.

[Durgdul]

don't forget the main scare.
the world will end December 21, 2012 when the poles shift:D

stellar and galactic alignment the culprit.

[marcell1002]

don't forget the main scare.
the world will end December 21, 2012 when the poles shift:D

stellar and galactic alignment the culprit.



I must be honest and say that i didnt read the article but according to the mayans the world will end in 2012. or so ive read!

[nobody32]

I don't pay them any attention. The world was supposed to end in 2000. Or was it 2001? no one could make up their minds because they couldn't decide if you should count '0' as a year, was thee a zero as a year, or were you supposed to start counting towards the end-of-days at the beginning of 1 A.D.

I am still here, the world is still wierd, and I still don't pay them any attention...

[marcell1002]

Exactly - if it doesnt end in 2012 - Some other hack will come up with another date

Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla

[bizzybody]

Check out www.surfacestations.org Volunteers are doing what NOAA claims they have no budget and no interest for.

They're doing a survey of all the temperature monitoring stations in the USA to find out how many are or are not in compliance with NOAA specifications.

The basics are they must be at least 100 feet from any buildings, paving, sidewalks or bodies of water and must be on flat ground. They also must be five feet above ground level.

The not so shocking results so far are that a large number of these stations are located directly next to (or even in the middle of) parking lots, masonry buildings, air conditioner exhausts, on rooftops, next to barbecues, and many other violations of NOAA guidelines.

Some of the problems are due to urban encroachment on what were originally rural sites. Others are due to remotely monitored stations being moved to "convenient" locations so the data cables wouldn't have to be so long.

[jack schitt]

I think you guys have gotten a little off track here :)
The whole point is really, that no matter which way you look at it - we aren't looking after our planet to the best of our ability... be honest here - we're not. There are extremist opinions and ideas in many areas of life - I think tho that some things are just plainly obvious tho... and this is one thing that clearly, to me, is.

[ToddB]

jack, not to gang up on ya here, but the Earth has survived a few asteriods and/or comets hitting the planet and wiping out 95% of life on the planet. It's survived a knock with something that broke apart and created our moon. It's survived a constant barrage of radiation from the Sun, not mention other forms of radiation from other stars and other stellar phenomenons.

I find it hard to believe that my SUV, my regular light bulb, or opening a few new refineries to lower the gas prices is going to matter much.

Oh, and if humans are creating this "warming" trend, then how come in the time frame that people like Al Gore use saying the Earth has warmed 0.7 degrees celcius, Mars has warmed the exact same amount? Is it Martian SUVs or light bulbs?

[MarcusMaximus]

I agree that the measures to cut back on greenhouse gases, to conserve energy, to not be wasteful, etc. etc. is all very good and should be done by everyone...

BUT....

I don't like it being shoved down my throat - I don't appreciate being told that the coming doomsday is all my fault - and I don't appreciate being lied to, and talked down to, by the intellectual elite - namely Al Gore and those of his ilk. If you want people to swallow the medicine - ya got to mix in a little sugar.

[marcell1002]

My opinion is that man is prob. busy wiping earth out but i dont think it will be in my lifetime unless its done by nuclear war!

I dont think soooo much it is because of the emmissions from our vehicles or even factories or business - Just look at the amount of smoke that gets released from natural forest fires etc. annually.

Anyway - i would love to become a hippy and go and live in a forest for the rest of my life, fucking, smoking dope etc. but i would have a really hard time getting away from ozami and satelite tv.

So, everyone try and do his bit and just surf the wave of self destruction!

[jack schitt]

Oh I do believe we can keep our luxuries in life quite easily. It's not about giving up all that stuff at all - it's more about changing the way we aquire it.
And Todd, maybe your SUV and lightbulb on their own don't make a difference... but when you have millions and billions of ppl compiling the factors together - they become a problem - this is the point.

[ToddB]

So all the cars on the planet need to be scrapped, and we all need to give up using anything that produces oil, huh?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to blink my eyes and have the world of Star Trek but it ain't happening.

[MarcusMaximus]

the point is that we 've had this politicized Global Warming crap literally shoved down our throats for the past few years - - -

... and it's utterly crap. Bullshit and lies.

Here it is, the first week of March and I am looking out my window at four inches of snow. And I live in Memphis! Global Warming my fat hairy ass.

(actually, my ass is neither fat nor hairy - but you get my point)

[jack schitt]

uumm Max... Global warming works both ways... it's about the irregularaty of weather patterns. For example: over here we've just come thru the only nation-wide drought NZ has EVER had...

[MarcusMaximus]

....the only nation-wide drought NZ has EVER had...

in recorded history.

[jack schitt]

yip

[MarcusMaximus]

so it's possible that since New Zealand is one of the most recently settled major land masses - that there has been a drought there before?

My point being that weather phenomena is cyclical - - - it goes round and round.

[jack schitt]

no Max I doubt that very much. 98% of the country was covered in rainforest prior to colonisation...

[MarcusMaximus]

no Max I doubt that very much. 98% of the country was covered in rain forest prior to colonization...

....and now 78% of the country is covered in.......??


Kiwis?

[jack schitt]

the odd town and city... and mostly farmland now I guess :s another contribution to global warming...

[ToddB]

Max is completely right. How do we know that NZ didn't have a worse drought before people started to live there? Some global warming fanatics say that hurricanes are stronger now than ever before. Really? Were these same scientists around before Europeans arrived in the New World and started to keep written records? Were there no strong hurricanes then because we weren't there to record the wind speed? Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that the "if a tree falls in the woods..." argument?

Also, global warming fanatics say that the Earth is going to be warming to levels never seen before on Earth... Um, was Antarctica once ice-free? I believe it was! Not to bring facts or history into it, but the Piri Reis map shows that people were aware of Antarctica's coastline before the two-miles of ice covered it, and that means people were alive when all that water was in the ocean. Doesn't sound like a mass extinction to me.

I read a report yesterday that said "experts and scientists" have developed a way to combat global climate change. They say we need to eliminate all CO2 emissions in within the next 10 years. Okay, cool. We can go back to the horse and buggy days, and I can finally achieve my childhood dream of being a cowboy!! Yip-yip-yip-yahoo! Is that what all the global warming fanatics are really shooting for? And may I ask, if all of us normal folk have to go back to the horse and buggy, do Al Gore, Laurie David, and the rest of the "climate change" prophets get to keep their private jets, SUVs and limos?

And no one has yet answered my question. If CO2 emissions from man is what's causing this "irregularity of weather patterns", how come Mars has experienced the same "irregularity of weather patterns"? Is it the Martian CO2 emissions from all their SUVs, fossil fuel plants, etc.? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Look, the Earth has survived lots of stuff before. I've said this before. Who are we to think that driving an SUV, or burning fossil fuels can do what nature can't do? Yeah, I think the Earth is billions of years old, and I'm willing to bet it'll be here for a few billion more, at least until the Sun decides to go all red giant on us. Or at least until God decides He's tired of the whole mess.

Global warming, climate change, whatever name you give it, it's all the same thing: an attack on capitolism and free enterprise, and thereby, an attack on America and Western civilization. Some people think we are too rich, too prosperous, and some people who live in the United States feel so guilty about that fact that they'll do anything to somehow even things out for the rest of the world. Of course, that doesn't mean that they'll give up all their toys. They just want everyone else to be equal. Sounds like socialism to me. And that's exactly what it is.

[bizzybody]

Lawrence Solomon, who writes for Canada's "Financial Post", has a series of articles on prominent scientists who are nor part of AlGore's phony "consensus".
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=c47c1209-233b-412c-b6d1-5c755457a8af

Among them are some who took part in the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change- who wrote in the draft reports that the whole thing was pretty much a bunch of hooey, only to see UN politicians re-write the final editions of the reports to say exactly the opposite of what the scientists originally wrote.

And don't forget that it looks like anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of the temperature monitoring stations in the USA are grossly out of compliance with NOAA guidelines. www.surfacestations.org They're also collecting data on them in other countries and those are looking rather bad as well.

[bizzybody]

What made me literally laugh out loud was after the claims about how "global warming" caused the most storms big enough to be named in the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season- was when they said exactly the same thing in 2006 which was one of the mildest storm seasons on record.

So, what's their explanation for the 1979 Pacific storm season, which spawned the largest storm ever on record? That was typhoon Tip, which reached a peak diameter of over 3,000 miles. Fortunately it shrunk a lot before making landfall.

[jack schitt]

While I think some things do fall into that category of socialistic tendancies and outright bullshit, there are some things that are blatently obviously wrong with this planet BECAUSE of mankinds rotten polluting habits.

Our little country have had to deal with high skin cancer rates in recent years because of the breaking down of the ozone layer over the country. And you can say NAH that's just more BS... BUT we see the obvious affects here during summertime when it takes a mere 10 minutes in the sun to become burnt. You can wander outside for a few minutes and lose track of time very quickly and next thing you know - you're sunburnt. 25 years ago - this didn't happen. When you have to worry about putting sunscreen all over your bare skin just to go outside for a few minutes at a time during summer and know that years ago when you were a child even getting sunburnt itself wasn't even dangerous - you start asking pertinent questions.

Pollution is creeping up on us even in small subtle ways that perhaps we aren't aware so much of. Another thing that springs to mind is farming. High cropping rates are breaking down soils. This is problem is being compounded even further by the fertilisers that are poured into the soils to try and keep the mineral balances right. These fertilisers leech into waterways and cause another whole host of problems with plant and animal life in those fragile ecological systems. Our main industry here is dairy farming - for years we've been pouring fert's onto our pastures and are just now realising the toll that it's gradually taking on our soils and waterways. Now we're not the only country that use fert on our soils are we!

And when people who don't have to experience these things start talking like THEY KNOW all there is to know about it... well that quite frankly makes me cranky cos real life experience coupled with common sense tells me that things are far from right. "Global warming fanatics" be buggered - do your part and clean up after yourselves properly. I don't give a toss about the media's slant on these things - I know the real issues cos I have to live them - and you can argue it all you like... wake up n smell the smog! Why do you think so many Olympians are pulling out of Beijing? The stadium isn't even seeable at half a mile down the road cos of the pollution there... gees people get real and look past the nose on the end of your face and see what's in front of you. Use your god-given common sense and work out for yourselves what's not right with the world!

[ToddB]

jack,

Pollution... ozone depletion... it's got to be man-made because it's worse over the last 25 years.

Okay. I've got a solution, and let's see if you agree with it:

Give up your car. Give up your air conditioning and heater in your house. Wait, no, give up your house too. Those clothes you are wearing, the ones made in a factory that was powered by electricity? Give those up too. Shoes, socks, yep even underwear (no catcalls, boys, serious talk time). Give all of it up.

Ok, let's see, no electricity in the house, so you won't need the refrigerator. And all that food in there? The veggies, fruit, meats, even the ice cream? Get rid of it. No cars, remember? No ferts in the soil.

Ok, here's what you've got. You're naked. You have to go out to the nearest tree and chop it down to make some shelter. But wait, that nice, fancy ax and saw you were planning on using? Can't use those either, cause, see, you needed gasoline to get it to the Home Depot you bought them at. So, you'll have to make your own ax out of a rock, I guess.

And food? Well, I'd get you a gun to go kill something, but that would require me shipping the gun, so you'll have to come up with a home-made bow and arrow I guess.

See my point? Everything man-made isn't all bad. Man has actually made the planet better. But if you want to get rid of everything man-made because it's "killing the planet" that's fine. Just refer to this post and see what your life is going to be like.

[MarcusMaximus]

I\'m gonna fall back on my original post.

I agree that the measures to cut back on greenhouse gases, to conserve energy, to not be wasteful, etc. etc. is all very good and should be done by everyone...

BUT....

I don\'t like it being shoved down my throat - I don\'t appreciate being told that the coming doomsday is all my fault - and I don\'t appreciate being lied to, and talked down to, by the intellectual elite - namely Al Gore and those of his ilk. If you want people to swallow the medicine - ya got to mix in a little sugar.

Now here\'s a point... I got sunburned as a kid. You couldn\'t grow up in the great state of Texas without getting sunburned. Just ain\'t possible. Was that due to the depleted ozone? You know that ozone hole over the South Pole. It grows. It shrinks, but it\'s always there. They assumed that the hole was caused by the release of carbons and toxins into the air. Truth be told - they have never seen the hole closed up. Now some scientists are thinking that the ozone hole over the South Pole is a natural occurrence.

I do agree that some of the things that mankind does is stupid and irresponsible. Some Things. But certainly not all. If there was a viable way for me to lessen my carbon footprint in the world - I\'d do it. But last time I checked my bank account I noticed that I didn\'t have enough money to build a solar collector for my house, nor buy a hybrid or hydrogen powered car to drive to and from work. Right now I\'m trying to figure out how I\'m going to afford increasing the insulation in my house. Do I recycle? My local trash guys do it for me. I live on 2 acres out in the country, but I don\'t do any farming. I do put fertilizer on my lawn - but I can\'t see having a nice lawn as being environmentally irresponsible.

My footprint is considerably smaller than Al Gore\'s.

Jackie - - I agree that there is no harm in doing what is right for the environment - we should all be dedicated to making the world a better and safer place. But the stiff arm approach, the doomsday prophets, the anti-human race people have, in my opinion, over stayed there welcome. It\'s time for them to go.

[bizzybody]

Energy from the sun is what creates and breaks down molecules of ozone, which is just three oxygen atoms. Ozone levels over the poles fluctuate so much because half the year they're in constant sun and the other half there's no sun. Add to that the magnetic field that guides high energy particles from the sun toward the poles (which is what causes the Aurora Borealis and Aurora Australis). Good reasons for ozone weirdness at the poles.

Chlorinated Fluorocarbons have been the whipping boy for years on ozone depletion. Somehow these molecules which are many times heavier than any gas in the atmosphere are supposedly able to float their way up to the stratosphere. Once up there, the next supposition is that UV light breaks apart those extremely stable CFC molecules- releasing the chlorine atoms to break up ozone molecules.

The proponents of that theory completely pooh-pooh the idea that chlorine evaporating from the ocean can get up to the stratosphere, nevermind that chlorine molecules are far lighter than any CFC molecules. They also claim that chemicals (including chlorine) ejected from volcanoes has no effect because it "rains out" before getting up to the stratosphere. Mmmm-hmmm. Right, pull the other one. Explosive volcanoes, like Mt. St. Helens, Mt. Pinatubo, Mt. Etna etc. blast their ejecta miles high, an express elevator to the upper atmosphere. Nothing smaller than dust specks is coming down until its been up there for a while. The smallest ash often travels completely around the planet before coming down. What makes them think individual molecules of chlorine, sulfur, CO2 and others aren't going to fly as high?

[marcell1002]

maybe the hole in the ozone is earth's exhaust pipe! The more shit in the air the bigger the exhaust???

[MarcusMaximus]

that makes sense. ;)